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pasteurization process. so those are the risks to be mindful of. >> all right jacqueline howard, thank you very much for sharing that reporting. a brand new hour of cnn news central starts right now prepare yourself to be thankful and a little bit chilly the thanksgiving travel rush is upon us and early. >> an early blast of what winter weather could be hitting you and delaying your arrival time at your friends and family's homes. we've got an update we're tracking it all for you and donald trump vowing to make good on one of his most consistent campaign promises, pledging to impose tariffs on some of america's closest allies and trade partners. the potential fallout it could have on the economy and your wallet. and nearly 30 years ago, the murder of jonbenet ramsey became a national obsession. now, a new documentary is reexamining her case, and her father joins us this morning.

i'm kate bolduan with john berman. sara sidner is out today this is cnn news central all right. >> we have a live look at thanksgiving travel. the latest numbers from flightaware show about 8700 delays and 355 cancellations. so far there are storms in the forecast. the weather promises to be quite dicey for a lot of people. the faa says that they may have to slow down air traffic because they're dealing with a shortage of air traffic controllers. of course, there are a lot of people trying to get where they want to go on the ground as well. ryan young looking at the cars in atlanta. derek van damme tracking the storm systems hey, john, you know how this goes. >> we're doing thanksgiving. travel goes one of two ways. either it's all green and everybody's happy, or you're

doing the delays at the airport or somewhere where things are backed up. right now here in atlanta 75 to 85 behind me, near the connector. with so much traffic today, it's been actually pretty light. people are getting on to where they have to go. we know the peak times are anytime before 10 a.m. is a good time to travel, but triple a is expecting more than 70 million people to hit the roads. this year. that's more than a million more than last year. some of that has to do with gas prices. look, the average right now is 307. last year this time is 325. but you can't talk about travel at all without thinking about the airport. we know the tsa is going to get crushed today. they're going to be millions of more people at the airport. we talked to some travelers at the airport who are getting ready for all the expectations, and those long security lines. take a listen make sure to leave early, account for traffic especially in the middle of the day. >> make sure you have your boarding pass and your id on you and make sure you come on time early really not late.

>> um we just try and plan ahead and pack super early so we c airport than driving on thanksgiving. that's for sure yeah, some people really do feel that way, but you got to think about all the folks who are going to get in the car. >> so many more millions of people got to have all those devices charged as well. when we talk to triple a. one of the big things they told people is to make sure you know the rules of the road as you're driving. some states are hands free, so you don't want to have your device in your hand. and to make sure you look at the map ahead of time, because you don't want to be looking down at the gps and have some sort of crash. as you're looking at a screen. john, so far it's been smooth sailing. a lot of the weather has moved out of the way. we're talking to derek van dam earlier as we were getting wet, so obviously that will be an impact that's going to be felt all across the country when it comes to the changing weather conditions, and i know you'll be talking to him in a second, but so far, so good here in atlanta. >> you know, you keep saying people have to charge their devices for travel. what ever happened to show tunes, show tunes are what people should do

when they go on long trips sometimes john sometimes no. >> some people are turned off. you don't want to have them singing the whole ride. >> show tunes are not a sometimes treat. they're an always treat conversation. john, i'm meaningful conversation i said. meaningful conversation you guys both came out against meaningful conversation during our 7:00 hour. right now you're trying to redeem yourself. all right, derek here's the thing. >> the license. i like the alphabet game. >> yeah, the alphabet game is good, except when they only get to j and they can't get to the next letter, which happens in my family all right, derek, the weather is going to be awful on thanksgiving for millions of people, right? >> oh, it depends on where you're located. but this morning is a tricky travel scenario for the east coast. this is the busiest airport day of the year, and there could be some delays because of the weather. but thursday, you hit it right on. that is going to be the worst travel day out of this week. and i'll show you why in just one moment. let's talk about what's happening right now. cold front moving through the eastern seaboard. that could bring some weather

delays to. let's say, laguardia into jfk stretching into d.c. but across the nation's midsection, this area right now is clear. so we're not anticipating any problems. but we do have a big storm system brewing over the western parts of the u.s. that's bringing snow to the mountains. and coastal rain to california. let's talk about this cold front moving through across the northeast. this is bringing a mixture of rain and snow even some light freezing rain reported right here, where you see that shading of purple so interstate 8993 moving through vermont and new hampshire. these areas could get a bit dicey this morning. the further south you travel towards the coast. that's all rain and that's good news because that of course doesn't complicate things when you have freezing precipitation on the roadways. but this i-95 corridor, regardless, will be wet this morning. but you're seeing the tail end of this rainfall as the cold front exits the east coast. ryan was wet this morning from rain in his earlier live shots. that's no h international airport. that's 7585 interchange that he's standing ahead above. actually,

right now but look at what's happening over the west. this is a significant snowstorm for places like salt lake city just west of denver good for the ski resorts, bad for travel. but watch how this system evolves e to travel wednesday, one of the busiest days of the travel year along the east coast. no problems, but look what happens 12 hours later. this storm blows up in intensity and brings snowfall to northern new england. it stays rain to the coastal areas just in time for that macy's day parade. we all know we're keeping an eye on that, especially john. and then it's going to kick in the lake effect snow machine crank it into high gear behind it coldest air of the season settles in and our temperatures take a nosedive we could talk about below freezing temperatures all the way to the gulf coast by the first parts of next week. here's a look at your temperatures on the east coast right through the holiday weekend. it's going to be chilly it's going to be damp, and it's going to be wet for john berman standing out in the rain on thursday morning. yeah, sounds like a very unpleasant. i'm going to be watching yeah,

an unpleasant parade. >> all right derek van dam, ryan young, thank you both okay, so that's the forecast. >> let's talk about. let's run some numbers on records and what's expected to be records this week in the coming week harry enten is here. you could run numbers on anything. >> there's a poll on everything. >> it is not my new that will be my new year's resolution to find something you can't run the numbers on. >> ooh tough challenge. challenge accepted. there you go. >> talk to me first about all. about how many people are expected to fly. >> yeah. how many people are expected to fly? i mean, hello look at this number. thanksgiving week, airline trips. look at this. 18.3 million. that is a modern day record. that's up a million from last year. 17.3, up from 15.6 back in 2022. i was running the numbers. if you go back to the covid pandemic right, you go all the way back since to 2020, what was the number then? it was something along the lines of 6.6 million. so we are way up.

we are three times nearly three times as much this year than we were four years ago. at this point so the bottom line is, if you're going to the airport, don't expect to be alone. expect to have many friends and perhaps you'll make a friend. kate. that's what i said it's all the friends that you've never met. >> yet when you when you're experiencing maybe potentially a lot of delays, which we could be looking at. but how are you measuring this. >> yeah. so if you were essentially to look at so far this year and what would you find is that it's the fewest on time flights in ten years. in ten years right now, 25% of flights this year have either been canceled or delayed which of course gives you plenty of time to make a friend in the airport kate bolduan perhaps you might want to pack your patience. ha ha ha ha ha the bottom line is this if you're going to the airport, expect to be there with many people. and don't be surprised if you go to ewr. or i was stuck and i think a 2.5 hour delay the other week and then landed and then had to take a bus to the terminal which was truly pleasant. >> kate, if you had any question that harry enten is

from the northeast and from new york city, you just were reminded of it right there. why is there an asterisk with with patience will be virtue i think. >> should that be the headline maybe it should be the headline. but, you know, when we make the slides, i tend to make them with my producer, sydney. but perhaps we should bring you in on the process, and th headline and the headline should be the note. >> let us continue though. but not everyone is flying harry. >> yeah, that's exactly right planes, trains and automobiles kate bolduan you might remember that movie i'm a big fan of steve martin and john candy most people. fantastic movie. very, very good movie. most people for 50 plus mile trips will actually be traveling by car 90%. that's why we had ryan out there looking at the traffic. the traffic out on 11th avenue in new york city. this morning wasn't quite so bad, but i'm worried that perhaps for the girlfriend who's going out to new jersey, the car travel later today might be a little bit rough. but of course, i love this other category 3% other train. maybe as an example, maybe there are some people who are going by boat or something. i don't know exactly what's

going. maybe, maybe. i mean, you know, i don't discriminate. maybe they're riding a bike, maybe they're riding a bike to grandmother's house. >> we go maybe they are walking or taking a sleigh. >> i could imagine being on the new jersey turnpike, taking a walk 7% travel by plane. so, yeah, a lot of folks were a lot of people were looking at the flights potential delays. but the bottom line is most people are taking a car, so they'll actually be looking at their ways. they won't be looking to the faa to know if they get to grandmother's house on time. >> here's the deal. i know harry enten girlfriend, and i know you are. often you're out there wondering the same thing. i wonder all the time how she puts up with him. but we do love him so much. >> honestly, it's one of the true great signs of god in this universe that she puts up with him i still love you. >> thank you harry, thank you. an important reminder you can join cnn for the ultimate thanksgiving morning watch party featuring celebrity appearances and live coverage of parades across the country. and the reason you have to watch is because it will be hosted by the one and only john berman. and erica hill. thanksgiving in america starts

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repeatedly held up tariffs as kind of a magical negotiating tool that can be used against friends and foes alike to get better deals. and look, we don't know how this is going to actually play out will he impose these tariffs that he's threatened? will he be able to bring canada, mexico, china to the negotiating table and get a better deal maybe. but we do know that tariffs have at least the potential to create confusion and chaos for businesses. and to increase costs for all of us as consumers. because remember, tariffs are taxes on imports. and we buy a lot of stuff from a lot of these countries. look at canada we've imported hundreds and billions of dollars of stuff from canada. just last year alone everything from oil and minerals to cement. and it's hard to see how slapping a 25% tariff on canadian oil will make it cheaper to fill up your tank at the gas station, or a 25%

tariff on wood and cement. how is that going to make it any cheaper to build homes? it probably won't. it could actually make it more expensive and likewise, i mean, a lot of people are frustrated with how expensive it is at the supermarket, but we buy significant amount of certain crops certain food from mexico, for example 89% of the imports of avocado from mexico, 91% of the tomatoes that get shipped into the united states also come from mexico. we rely on mexico for autos and auto parts as well. and then, of course, there's china, where the u.s. imports a lot of different goods, everything from furniture and electronics to toys. and again, the risk of course, is that the costs end up going up for all of those materials. you see sporting equipment and paint and lamps as well and look, i think at the end of the day, all of this is another reminder that trump

really means business when he talks about tariffs, right? these were not just empty . thi0 is all gas no brakes. and john look despite all the focus on trump's cabinet picks, including his relatively moderate treasury pick and scott bessent at the end of the day, it's trump alone that is calling the shots, especially on tariffs. >> all right matt egan, thank you very much. with us now former trump white house communications director mike dubke and also cnn senior political commentator ana navarro. and mike, i get that this might be a negotiating ploy. you say you're going to impose 25% tariffs to try to get action. but but how prepared do you think the american people need to be for the possibility that prices on some goods are going to go up on january 20th and beyond? >> well, first of all, john, isn't it refreshing that we've got a candidate that says one thing and then gets into office

and actually is going to follow through on the on the promises they made on the campaign trail. >> i think a lot of these tariffs in the mentioning of canada and mexico and china last night by president-elect trump you know, the focus of these, when i look at it, is mostly on china. what china has done to get around a lot of tht biden administration, even though they promised to eliminate these tariffs, are focused on products that china will ship to mexico, either relabel or not relabel, and then ship into the united states to avoid the tariffs that have been imposed on them. i think this is a warning shot. i love that that all gas, no brakes. i think the american people voted for that. and that's what they're going to get right out of the gates with donald trump. >> and look right now, this is

a lot of bluster without detail, right. >> and the devil is in the detail. >> he has said there will be these tariffs unless mexico and canada and china do this. do stuff. we don't know what the stuff actually means in detail. what i do know is most conservatives are not pro tariffs we have free trade agreements, particularly with mexico and canada and the leaders of these countries right. the newly elected president of mexico, justin trudeau china's xi jinping, they're not going to play dead. they're not rolling over. they're not. and when donald trump says, and he said this a lot during the campaign, i'm going to impose it on china. tariffs are actually imposed on consumers. >> right. >> because it's not the government of mexico or canada or china that are going to be paying this. >> it is consumers. when we go to the grocery store, it is consumers. when we buy a new house and the things that people complain, the most about

the price of eggs the price of groceries, the price of housing, the price of cars those things are precisely what will be the most affected if we, in fact, go will be that donald trump supporters are so supportive of him you know, will higher prices be great you maybe they won't care about as much anymore? >> listen, they haven't cared about a lot of things right. they haven't cared about his felonies. they haven't cared about. but i'm not sure how you're going to feel about $80 tequila or a $10 tomato. i mean we're you know, we're talking about daily daily things that americans are very used to and rely on. >> mike, i get that this is something that he ran on and promised. there's no question about that. but given that every time this comes up, people say, you know what? it's just a negotiating ploy. doesn't china know that too? doesn't mexico and canada? don't they know that basically donald trump is threatening this? but maybe unlikely to slap a 25% tariff on january 20th, the day he takes office? >> well, he's maybe unlikely to slap a 25% tariff on

avocados and tomatoes, but tariffs can be targeted so if we look at auto parts, which again, is one of those items that china is transshipping to mexico, and if he puts the tariff on that then then we've got targeted tariffs on imports that should that are trying to avoid the tariffs or tariffs. originally from china. i also looked at the list that egan had on the on the just prior to where we were from canada. i mean, we sell lumber is a perfect example. canada floods our market with lumber, but we also have lumber coming from the southern united states that could fill that void so some of this also is a pro american pro pro job creation stance by the president as well. >> well, look for one thing that's clear. i mean, the parts go back and forth over the border, sometimes several times, that there would be a tariff every time they come back into the united states. and that's what mexico and canada leave china on that issue. china is not necessarily part of that. and you were trying to jump in. >> yeah. i mean, and combined

tariffs on mexico with mass deportations and you may have to take a picture of a tomato so that you can show it to your grandchildren because that's all they may know about a tomato, because, you know, between the produce that we make and that we have in america, that a lot of it is picked by undocumented immigrants that's the reality. and the produce that comes from places like mexico, you put those two things together that he's promised and delivering on apparently you've got really expensive vegetables. >> mike, i want to get your take on something. i've already talked to anna about this. this is boris epstein, the adviser to donald trump longtime adviser, who has been investigated by trump insiders for basically pay to play allegations that he was charging people to promote them to donald trump as possible cabinet picks. i don't want to put words in anna's mouth, but she didn't think it was a thing. do you think it's

necessarily a thing here that that that donald trump should be concerned about that? one of his chief advisers is maybe taking money to say nice things about cabinet picks. >> oh i'm surprised that anna doesn't think it's a thing we'll disagree on this one. i do think it's a thing. it should, not it. and one of the articles someone said, well, this is just normal washington. it is not normal. washington not for republicans, not for democrats. pay to play should have no role here. i know these are allegations that have been made, but if they're substantiated, you know, this is serious. this is serious business there are multiple people that are looking to do well for the american people in the trump administration. given how all gas, no brake this administration is going to be so we need to make sure we get the the best and the brightest and those that are going to serve the president of the united states, not not not because somebody else took money to, to promote them. so i'm anna, we don't always agree. we're going to disagree on this one again i guess.

>> well, listen, i mean, i think charging a million dollars and i've lost my earpiece charging $1 million entry fee, membership fee to mar-a-lago is also pay to play and i just think that that's the way the game is, right? a lot of people are paying a lot of money to be at mar-a-lago so that they can have contact with trump and give him an idea. i think, you know, i think this is called lobbying. and i think that if the campaign or the transition team does not want that to go on, they have to tell their consultants who are not full time employees. they are consultants this is exclusive and you cannot take money from anybody else to promote anything to donald trump. but most people who work in that campaign either end up in that administration, where it definitely is illegal to pay to play or they end up on the outside making money for the access that they gained while working on a campaign. i mean it's called lobbying and it's i don't i don't see it as a as a big deal. and let me say, i find boris epstein incredibly

unsavory. so for me to say that it's not a big deal, it's just i don't see it. >> all right. ana navarro mike duffy. great to see both of you. happy thanksgiving. >> all right. thank you. happy thanksgiving. >> all right. this morning, the father of murdered six year old jonbenet ramsey is speaking out in a new docu series after decades, her killer remains at large in the case. remains unsolved. >> i was told by someone inside the system to get this message to you. they believe you killed your daughter and you need to get the best defense attorney you can get your hands on i was just shocked watch cnn's coverage of thanksgiving parades around the country with special appearances by chef bobby flay t.i., andy grammer, and more. >> john berman and erica hill host cnn. thanksgiving in america. live coverage starts at 8:00 on cnn. >> growing your business is easy once you know the moves with godaddy websites plus

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>> dot com to 30 years i've been saying publicly what people are saying to themselves, i have enough money. i could just shut up and move i just i can't carp now streaming on max the murder of jonbenet ramsey in 1996 captivated the nation. >> the six year old child pageant queen found dead in her home with no one ever being charged and convicted for her murder. now nearly 30 years later, can you believe that a new netflix documentary just released and is taking a new look at the case and the investigation, with hopes of finally finding some answers at a crime scene, particularly when it's contaminated is this it's problematic, i think, to take too much to the bank based on any one dna result what does that mean in terms of everyone who's given a dna sample? >> i think if the dna is

faulty, a lot of people could still be a suspect we've been in the practice of ruling people out based on dna and if we take what the police have said at face value and, you know, the reporting done by guys like charlie brennan who say that the dna in the case isn't as valuable or significant as we think, then we've been ruling people out for the wrong reasons. right? everybody should be back on the table. the police have never ruled out john and patsy ramsey based solely on this dna. how do you rule anybody out based solely on this dna? you have to go deeper. you dna we have today and make more sense of it m. >> joining me right now is joe berlinger, the director of the new netflix docu series. the name of it is cold case who killed jonbenet ramsey. also joining us is jonbenet's father, john ramsey. gentlemen,

thank you both for being here. joe, that's just a snippet of all of the work that you all put together in in diving into this. why did you decide to focus in on this as your latest project well, you know, basically because i think the crime can be solved. >> i mean, there's some dna testing that john ramsey and his family have been demanding for a long time. the boulder police even though there's new people in charge, the boulder police seems to be dragging their feet. you know, and this is one of the most botched crime scenes this poor man has been under a cloud of suspicion for decades, even though they've been officially exonerated. if you ask the average man on the street, they will say oh, yeah, isn't that the story where the parents killed their their daughter, which i mean, can you imagine losing a daughter in such a vicious way? losing a daughter. period. you know, i'm the father of daughters. i couldn't get up in the morning or you know, if something, god forbid happened for an hour, let alone this terrible

outcome, and then to be blamed for it. i mean, it's just incredible. >> yeah. and, john, i mean, this many years later, you also, i was reading that you also still believe that this case can be solved. why, how and what do you think needs to happen to do that? john well, i do believe it can be solved uh, using the latest technology that's out there now. >> you know, we had dna results in 1997 of an unidentified male dna. it was mixed. that dna sample was mixed with some japanese dna that can now be separated. technically um, our big frustration almost from day one is that we knew the police did not have the capacity or the capability or the experience to to deal with this case, and we knew they were totally focused on patsy and i um, and that, you know we were

aghast. but said to them, okay great. you know, let's work through that and then don't stop there. well, they did stop there and our big frustration with the police all along has been that they've refused help from the outside that could have helped and that we are somewhat encouraged now because they have brought leadership in from the outside. their leadership was terrible for 25 years, in my opinion. uh, overview board has recommended recommended a little while ago that five of their seven detectives be terminated immediately because of failure to investigate crimes properly so there's been kind of a housecleaning, and we're encouraged. the key thing they've got to do is accept help from the outside. there's lots of help that can come in if they're invited. and that's the weird thing about our system is that if the police don't want help, help cannot come in regardless of how incompetent they are.

>> john before i've got more questions about the series, but first, just patsy died in 2006, and just as you and joe are talking about how quickly the investigation focused in on you and patsy, even with no evidence to make any connection what has that been like for 30 years now well, you know, initially it didn't matter. >> we were so crushed and devastated by the loss of her child everything else around that was noise level. it didn't matter and patsy said, you can't hurt me any deeper than i've been hurt by the loss of jonbenet so it it didn't matter. i mean, we were frustrated that the police weren't moving ahead. it was you know, our attorney said, look, the police think you're guilty. you can't talk to them. that's just defense attorney 101. we can't let you talk to the police. we're like, well, come on they've got to

have some ounce of common sense. let's let's sit down and talk. well, that was always a frustration for us. and there were things demonstrated over time that made us believe the police had no common sense. and we're very focused on us. it was kind of a group think effort, and it was an attempted lynching, basically. and so um, our big frustration was that they just would not accept help from the outside and who knows what, who knows what a fresh look at it today could shake up now. >> i mean, we have seen attention to other major very different cases just thinking of the menendez brothers, the attention shined there, joe, and how that has changed potentially kind of the course of that. um that case that conviction, i mean, who even knows? and that's what i was really curious as to from everything that you joe, you interviewed you had john as part of the docu series. also

lawyers and journalists who covered the whole thing. what is the most important thing that you uncovered well uh, just how trampled the crime scene was. >> just how technology has so advanced that we really, again, think we can solve the crime you know, golden state killer green river killer. there have been a lot of advances, particularly with genealogical dna. you know massive database now. and years have been have been solved because of that. so we just want, you know this intransigence by boulder police, we just don't understand. you know, i've done a lot of wrongful conviction cases over the years most notably the west memphis three case paradise lost, which we've talked about in the past. the number one thing that leads to wrongful conviction is police tunnel vision. they get an idea early on and they can't move off of it. that is what happened in this case. but if you look at the autopsy report, if you look at the forensic evidence, which we do a deep dive on, to me it's

indisputable that this was the work of an intruder and completely absurd to think the family did it. so it's time to get over it. boulder and do the right thing by these people. >> well, john i read that you've chosen to not watch the documentary. john why well, you know, i, i don't think i've ever watched any of the broadcasts that i've participated in over the years uh, i don't know why. >> i just it's like, i just it's hard to watch that stuff for me and, uh, my wife jan is watching it. uh, she will be my filter and say well, you watch this part, but don't watch you know, we've this has not gone away from our life for 28 years. and, um uh yet we still got to go on living. and, um, you know, the thing that got patsy and i going again, uh uh, early on

was we had three other children that needed us desperately to be good, strong parents and, uh, we used to call them pity parties. and we both got down. we'd say, okay, let's not have a pity party here let's get up off the floor and get moving again. and that kept us going and pushing ahead but, uh, um i agree with joe given today's technology, it can be solved. i'm convinced of it if that technology is used, that's all we're asking the police to do is use the latest technology. they've got to go outside they don't have the capacity. if they do that and we come up hand to hand, then i'll say, well, thank you. at least we tried. we tried everything that could be done. right now we're not doing that and now i think i see what's getting you going and keeping you going this time around. >> joe berlinger, it's i'm looking forward to seeing the whole thing. thank you so much, joe. john, thanks for coming in thank you both very much thanks for having me thank you so much again. it's cold case who

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that the sparring between justices samuel alito and elena kagan has been heating up since donald trump's victory. cnn chief supreme court analyst joan biskupic joins us now for the latest on this. you didn't see gladiator two coming there, did you? joe i didn't but, you know, if only there were cameras in the courtroom, john. >> but fortunately, i'm there for you. okay. >> you know, those two justices really personify the ideological and political gulf that this supreme court, you know liberal kagan, conservative alito. and they've really been going at it, especially, you know, beginning with the day right after donald trump won the white house back. they were really escalating the hypotheticals. the two of them are, you know really for their respective sides. you know, as sharp tongued and piercing as as it goes when they're questioning the lawyers standing in the well of the courtroom. and they're both very aware of where the other justices are to try to figure

out who's in play and open to persuasion. and the day after the election, there was a real competition. on several hypotheticals going back and forth. they were trying to top each other, and at one point, justice kagan said normally she doesn't even refer to justice alito who's she doesn't look at him who's sitting right next to her. she just goes after his hypotheticals and she looks out at the spectators at one point and says, you know, sometimes we really enjoy this. and chief justice john roberts says a bit under his breath, only think we're going to see more of that. and more of that coming once donald trump actually takes the white house. but i should say, john, next week we have a really important case about transgender rights for minors who've been denied any kind of gender affirming care in tennessee because of a law that was passed there in 2023. the biden administration is defending that law john. and if ever there's a real target for sam alito, it's the biden

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budget. friend yes, we are trying to keep it in budget for everybody because 44% of americans say they're concerned about what they're spending this thanksgiving and 30% are not trimming the turkey but trimming their guest list this year to try to save a little bit of money and thanksgiving dinner is more affordable than last year but still, 19% higher than pre-pandemic americans have been spending 22% more at the grocery store compared to 2021. >> but here are the tips from the experts, not from me personally the turkey this year. if you wait a little bit longer to buy your turkey, which is down 6% this year, you start to get a little more savings. >> why is that? >> well, i'm like, wait till one like friday or like like how long do you have to wait to get? >> i mean, i think we bought our turkey the day before, so yeah, i probably saved a little bit of money. rewards programs at grocery stores. a lot of grocery stores have apps. so check the apps to make sure that you're getting all the savings. also stores like shoprite, if you spend $400 throughout the year, you get a free turkey. this year they've

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